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intric8
Seattle, WA, USA

by intric8 posted Sun May 05, 2019 10:54 pm

PS I distinctly remember my machine was from 1985. I feel comfortable using that as a basis to declare the same is true of your XM1050022.


I can guarantee it. Larry said so, and I've no reason to doubt he wasn't one of the first in line.
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intric8
Seattle, WA, USA

by intric8 posted Sun May 05, 2019 10:59 pm

And I totally get what you're saying. But what if a given factory produced more than 9,999? How would that translate?
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oldbull

by oldbull posted Mon May 06, 2019 9:34 am

I am also not comfortable with only having 4 digits for unit production total. The problem is the "5" in 1050022. I also don't think two digits for motherboard revision are needed. Last night I looked at my A500 and that has a serial of CA111####.

Since we know there were years for the 1000, 500, and 2000 all in production at the same time I'm now rethinking the letter codes.

Do we know if PAL Amigas were ever produced in US plants?
Do we know how many factories were cranking out Amiga machines at the peak?
Did Escom change the serial # system when they revived the A1200?

If only we could find a retired Commodore employee that saved the magic decoder ring. :lol:
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BloodyCactus
Lexington VA

by BloodyCactus posted Mon May 06, 2019 10:03 am

intric8 wrote:And I totally get what you're saying. But what if a given factory produced more than 9,999? How would that translate?


or you know, they could just add a 5th digit but.. I guess we will not know...

I know all the chips in my A1k have mid 85 date codes.

From BBOAH we know there are

Rev 6 (NTSC June 1985, motherboard used copper traces. Designers signatures on case)
Rev A (NTSC June 1986, motherboard uses cheaper tin traces. Designers signatures on case)
Rev B (September 1986. No signatures on case)

From serials, we see "60", "10" and "11", that corresponds to the 3 known NTSC motherboard variants.. I wonder if all the XM11's have no signatures in the case.

One listed serial is XM119.. I find it odd they were selling A1000's in 1989! 2000 came out in 87... Would they really be selling 1989 mfg'd A1k's? Let alone 1991 made A1000... the A3000 was out by then!
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intric8
Seattle, WA, USA

by intric8 posted Mon May 06, 2019 10:09 am

One listed serial is XM119.. I find it odd they were selling A1000's in 1989!


That's a really good point. I read that the 1000 was officially discontinued by 1987 in favor of the two new models.
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oldbull

by oldbull posted Mon May 06, 2019 10:31 am

Thank you bloody cactus! I now feel silly for re-inventing the wheel. Where does one find the BBOAH?
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BloodyCactus
Lexington VA

by BloodyCactus posted Mon May 06, 2019 10:55 am

oldbull wrote:Thank you bloody cactus! I now feel silly for re-inventing the wheel. Where does one find the BBOAH?

A1000

A1000 dev

One thing you will notice, Serial #1 is.... XM1000001

That serial #1 could quite well be serial #1 of Rev A, not Rev 6.. otherwise my 6 is an outlier. I dunno. That #1 serial would have no year etc if thats what we think it is.
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BloodyCactus
Lexington VA

by BloodyCactus posted Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 am

I did some more digging, on abime I found a post with a serial "XM5051022NP", this is a early PAL machine that has some NTSC parts.

Apparently all A1K had signatures in the case so BBOAH is wrong about the Rev B systems not having them.

I wonder if all PAL machines had just the N on the end of the serial....
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Rossb

by Rossb posted Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:38 am

Hi All,

Just stumbled upon this thread whilst searching for an answer. New A1000 owner (but long term Amiga owner). I finally got my hands on an almost immaculate PAL A1000. I'm slightly confused however. Most info I've found would tend to suggest that it is NTSC but it is most certainly PAL. Serial number is XM5001746N. It has the WSC daughter board and blue Commodore print on the front of the case. Can anyone shed some light?

Regards,

Ross.
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intric8
Seattle, WA, USA

by intric8 posted Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:38 pm

Hi Rossb!

Having a daughterboard in a PAL machine is very unusual. Have you cracked that case open? If not, would you be willing to (and taking a few pics)?

It's certainly possible - especially considering that S/N - that you have a very (and pretty rare) early PAL A1000. Those were based on the NTSC motherboard, which would explain the daughterboard. In general PAL machines didn't get those.

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